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Thursday Night Football

Thursday Night Football

Clemson Tigers vs. Wake Forest Demon Deacons

Oddsmakers currently have the Demon Deacons listed as 2½-point favorites versus the Tigers, while the game's total is sitting at 43½.

James Davis had 124 yards and one touchdown as Clemson were upset 20-17 by Maryland in Week 5.

Clemson failed to cover the 11-point spread, while the final score played UNDER the day's posted total of 50.

Riley Skinner threw for one TD but was picked off four times in Wake Forest's 24-17 loss to Navy in Week 5.

The Demon Deacons had been pegged as 16-point favorites at home in that contest, while the combined score fell UNDER the day's posted total (41).

Team records:
Clemson: 3-2 SU, 0-3 ATS
Wake Forest: 3-1 SU, 2-2 ATS

Clemson most recently:
When playing in October are 7-3
When playing on turf are 6-4
After outgaining opponent are 6-4
When playing within the conference are 6-4

Wake Forest most recently:
When playing in October are 8-2
When playing on turf are 7-3
After being outgained are 8-2
When playing within the conference are 7-3

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone OVER in 5 of Clemson's last 6 games when playing Wake Forest
Clemson is 4-1 SU in its last 5 games on the road
Clemson is 7-2 SU in its last 9 games when playing Wake Forest
The total has gone UNDER in 5 of Clemson's last 7 games on the road
Wake Forest is 7-1 SU in its last 8 games at home
Wake Forest is 6-1 SU in its last 7 games
The total has gone OVER in 5 of Wake Forest's last 6 games when playing Clemson
Wake Forest is 4-1 ATS in its last 5 games when playing Clemson

Next up:
Clemson home to Georgia Tech, Saturday, October 18
Wake Forest at Maryland, Saturday, October 18

UAB Blazers vs. Houston Cougars

Oddsmakers currently have the Cougars listed as 18-point favorites versus the Blazers, while the game's total is sitting at 67.

UAB was defeated 33-30 by Memphis in Week 6, as 3-point underdogs at home. The combined 63 points made it OVER the posted total of 58.

Joe Webb threw for 235 yards with a TD, and ran for 93 yards with three touchdowns in the loss.

Case Keenum threw three touchdown passes as Houston took down East Carolina 41-24 in Week 5.

The Cougars covered the 10.5-point spread, while the final score played OVER the day's posted total of 61.5.

Current streak:
UAB has lost 2 straight games.

Team records:
UAB: 1-5 SU, 3-2 ATS
Houston: 2-3 SU, 1-3 ATS

UAB most recently:
When playing in October are 2-8
When playing on grass are 0-10
After outgaining opponent are 4-6
When playing within the conference are 1-9

Houston most recently:
When playing in October are 6-4
When playing on grass are 7-3
After outgaining opponent are 6-4
When playing within the conference are 8-2

A few trends to consider:
The total has gone UNDER in 6 of UAB's last 8 games on the road
UAB is 4-2 ATS in its last 6 games when playing Houston
UAB is 6-3 ATS in its last 9 games on the road
UAB is 4-2 SU in its last 6 games when playing Houston
Houston is 14-4 SU in its last 18 games at home
Houston is 2-4 SU in its last 6 games when playing UAB
Houston is 2-4 ATS in its last 6 games when playing UAB
Houston is 2-4 SU in its last 6 games

Next up:
UAB home to Marshall, Saturday, October 18
Houston at Southern Methodist, Saturday, October 18

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Michael_Cash wrote:

When is tursday?

It's tomorow  ;D

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I have to say, I don't like the way WFU has played the last 2 games.  It's like their offense is constipated or something.  Luckily, they still have that tough defense to boot.  Clemson coming off a big loss to Maryland.  Clemson hasn't beaten anyone.  At least WFU beat a ranked Miss St. and Florida State team, even without scoring a TD in that game.  I just can't see Wake blowing 2 in a row at home, but if last week is any indication, Clemson will have their way with them.  Either way, you have to believe this one will be decided by a TD or less. 

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Every year it seems Clemson gets tons of hype but never delivers,for the talent they have they always seem to under achieve espicially since Bowden became head coach.

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Clemson (3-2, 0-3 ATS) at (21) Wake Forest (3-1, 2-2 ATS)

Wake Forest plays host to Clemson in Winston-Salem, N.C., with both ACC teams coming off bye weeks – and both aiming to get over upset losses.

The Demon Deacons were dealt a stunning 24-17 home loss two weeks ago against Navy as an overwhelming 17-point chalk, halting a six-game SU winning streak dating to last season (5-1 ATS). Wake Forest trailed 17-0 at halftime and couldn’t draw closer than a touchdown in the second half, and though the Deacons didn’t lose the total-yardage battle by much (343-313), they allowed 292 rushing yards, leading to a time-of-possession deficit of more than 13 minutes.

The Tigers also stumbled at home in their last outing, losing 20-17 to Maryland as an 11-point favorite, ending a three-game win streak. Clemson dominated much of the stat sheet, posting a 372-295 yardage edge – including 221-123 on the ground – and a more than five-minute edge in time of possession. But the Tigers lost the turnover battle 3-0 and blew a 17-6 halftime lead, getting outscored 14-0 in the second half.

Wake Forest is on a 4-1 ATS run in this series (2-3 SU), all as an underdog, though Clemson rolled 44-10 at home last year laying nine points. The home team is 5-1-2 ATS in the last eight meetings.

The Demon Deacons are 2-7-1 ATS in their last 10 games following a bye, but they sport ATS streaks of 9-3 overall, 5-2 at home, 8-0 after a non-cover, 5-1 in ACC play and 14-4 against winning teams. Conversely, the Tigers have failed to cover in six consecutive games and are on further pointspread slides of 0-4 against winning teams, 1-7 after a non-cover, 1-5 after a SU loss and 3-7-1 coming off a bye.

The over is on a 6-1 roll in this rivalry. However, the under is 10-4 in Wake’s last 14 home games, and the under for Clemson is on stretches of 6-0 overall, 5-2 on the road and 11-4 inside the conference.


UAB (1-5, 2-2-1 ATS) at Houston (2-3, 1-3 ATS)

Houston will look to build on an upset victory when it welcomes Alabama-Birmingham to town for a Conference USA matchup.

The Cougars, coming off a bye week, rolled over East Carolina 41-24 two weeks ago as a 10½-point road underdog. QB Case Keenum (36 of 44, 399 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT) was terrific, and Houston added another 222 yards on the ground to post a whopping 621-275 advantage in total offense.

The Blazers, who are set to play their second straight Thursday contest, lost to Memphis 33-30 a week ago on a last-second field goal, pushing as a three-point road pup. It was a nearly even game, with UAB outgained by just 20 yards (456-336) but finishing with a slight rushing edge (221-192).

Houston is 2-1 SU and ATS in the last three meetings between these two, posting a 49-10 road blowout last year giving 13 points. The favorite is on a 4-0 ATS run in this rivalry, and the straight-up winner has covered the pointspread in each of the last six meetings dating to 1999.

Despite the Cougars’ upset at East Carolina, they are still on pointspread dips of 1-8 overall, 0-6 at home, 0-5 after a SU win, 1-5 following a spread-cover and 1-4 in conference play. On the flip side, the Blazers are on positive ATS runs of 4-1-1 against losing teams and 7-3 coming off a bye, but they remain just 2-5-1 ATS in their last eight C-USA tilts.

The under for Houston is on streaks of 7-3 overall, 5-1 in conference play and 6-2 coming off the bye, and for UAB, the under is on runs of 9-4-1 overall, 6-2 in roadies and 7-3 after a bye. Finally, the last two meetings between these squads have stayed under the total.


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Wait for Friday for Lousyville to roll Womemphis

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Clemson could be one of the biggest disappointments in college football.

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What Bettors Need To Know: Clemson at Wake Forest

Line Moves

Wake Forest -2.5: Clearly, Vegas does not believe Tommy Bowden’s Clemson Tigers are a lost cause. Or maybe oddsmakers aren’t completely sold on Wake Forest. Either way, when the line opened as a Pick, bettors quickly jumped on Wake Forest, turning the host Demon Deacons into nearly 3-point favorites by Wednesday afternoon.

Total 44: Clemson’s offense is averaging more than 30 points a game, but that number is inflated by two blowouts of FCS teams, the Citadel (45-17) and South Carolina State (54-0). After starting out the season putting up big points, Wake Forest’s offense hit the skids in a 12-3 win over Florida State and a 24-17 loss to Navy.


Rain is expected throughout the day and night in Winston-Salem.

“Their field turf holds water pretty good, and they’d have to play in the same stuff. I didn’t think it was supposed to rain that hard, but if it does, you’d have to take that into consideration on what plays were called,” Clemson coach Tommy Bowden told the State, South Carolina’s largest newspaper.

Wake Forest ranks 114th in rushing offense, averaging just 84.8 yards on the ground. Watch to see if the total adjusts as the weather becomes more certain.

National Perception

Clemson has befuddled experts who looked at the Tigers’ bounty of returning offensive talent and crowned them the favorites in the ACC. But Clemson’s high-powered offense looked discombobulated against Maryland and sloppy in a win over North Carolina State, not to mention getting shut down by Alabama to open the season.

Coach Tommy Bowden is catching a lot of the heat. Critics are asking how an offense with up to five NFL draft picks at the skill positions is converting only 31.9 percent of third downs and ranks near the bottom in the ACC in time of possession.

Wake Forest is 3-1 ATS, with its only blemish being last week’s shocking loss to Navy. The Midshipmen jumped out to a 17-0 first half lead then killed the clock with their ground game. Navy had a 13-minute advantage in time of possession.

Coach Jim Grobe has solidified the Wake Forest program, transforming the Deacons from doormats to perennial ACC contenders. But, with a lack of highly ranked recruiting classes and a limited number of NFL prospects, Wake Forest is seemingly always perceived as the upstart underdog that should not be able to compete with more traditional powers. Their recent 12-5 ATS run suggests otherwise.


Both teams are coming off by weeks that were proceeded by upset losses.

The Tigers blew an 11-point lead at home to Maryland, but are by no means out of the ACC Coastal Division race. A second divisional loss would all but eliminate Clemson, however.

The Demon Deacons turned the ball over six times in last week’s loss to Navy, but are the only Atlantic Division team without a loss.


Neither team has any significant injuries.

Last year: Sixteen starters returned from last year’s Clemson squad that pounded Wake Forest 44-10 for the Tigers’ second straight win over the Demon Deacons.

Wake Forest returns nine defensive starters from last year’s unit.

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Clemson at Wake Forest
By Christian Alexander

Clemson (3-2, 1-1 ACC) at #21 Wake Forest (3-1, 1-0 ACC)
Thursday, October 9
7:30 PM ESPN
Groves Stadium (Natural Grass) Line: Wake Forest -2.5, O/U 43.5

Last Thursday night Pittsburgh certainly didn’t look like a team that had lost to Bowling Green and had struggled to beat Buffalo and Syracuse.

No, I’d say coach Dave Wannstedt’s crew looked pretty sharp when they traveled down to Tampa and beat the South Florida Bulls as 13.5 point underdogs. It was a much needed win for Wannstedt and Pitt as they now have the early lead in the race for the Big East title.

It was not, however, a much needed loss for me. Obviously, no loss is ever needed but this one hurt even more as it dropped me back to sea level (3-3) on Thursdays after a good start to the year.

Oh well, no time like the present to put together another winning streak.

I’ll try to do that this Thursday as the Clemson Tigers (3-2, 1-1) pay a visit to Winston-Salem, N.C., to take on the Wake Forest Demon Deacons (3-1, 1-0).

Before the season started, both teams had this game circled as a crucial matchup. That’s mainly because the ACC media predicted Clemson to finish #1 and Wake to finish #2 in the race for the ACC Atlantic Division title. Wake has extra incentive considering Clemson took them out to the woodshed last year when the Tigers outclassed the Demon Deacons in every facet, running away with a 44-10 win.

While this game will still likely play a huge role in deciding the Atlantic Division, neither team has been overly impressive thus far this season, especially lately.
The Tigers started the year on an awful note when Alabama crushed them 34-10 in a game played in Atlanta and one in which Clemson was favored. Granted, now that we know how strong the Tide is, they obviously should have been favored but either way, a team that has BCS aspirations – as Clemson did to start the year – shouldn’t let anyone pound them that badly.

Clemson was then able to right the ship and reel off three wins against mediocre-to-poor competition. However, the Tigers ran into a stumbling block last time out against Maryland on September 27.

Despite building an 11-point halftime lead, they self-destructed in the second half, committing a season-high three turnovers en route to a 20-17 loss. When running back C.J. Spiller had a 60-yard touchdown run in the second half wiped out by a holding penalty, you just knew it wasn’t meant to be Clemson’s day.

And so with nearly two weeks to stew on that unexpected loss – Clemson was favored by 11 – the Tigers know they can ill afford to drop another conference game if they want to be serious contenders in the Atlantic Division.

Wake Forest is plenty familiar with unexpected losses, having just encountered one themselves last time out.

While I’m sure coach Jim Grobe would never admit that his team was looking past Navy, the fact remains that after starting the season with a perfect 3-0 record, including an impressive win at Florida State, most everyone agreed the Deacs would take care of the Midshipmen. The oddsmakers certainly seemed to agree as Wake went off as a 16-point favorite.

However, Wake’s normally mistake-free QB, Riley Skinner, had one of the worst games of his college career, throwing four interceptions and fumbling once in a shocking 24-17 home loss to Navy. Just how out of character was that performance by Skinner? Consider that junior signal caller led all D-1 A teams in 2007 in completion percentage at 72.4% and had a streak of 133 passes without an interception before going up against the Midshipmen.

But as there always seems to be, there was plenty of blame to spread around in the Wake locker room.

The entire defense and especially the defensive line won’t have fond memories of the Navy game, that’s for sure. The Middies gouged Wake for 292 yards rushing after that unit had only surrendered 303 in the previous three games combined.

And that stat will certainly temper expectations for Wake fans as they enter this Thursday night’s game against Clemson.

That’s because, as all ACC football fans know, if your team is struggling against the run the last club you want to face is Clemson, a team that sports the best 1-2 running back punch in the country.

By now, RB’s James Davis and C.J. Spiller are household names in the realm of college football. Together, this duo powers a Clemson offense that is averaging nearly 166 yards on the ground.

Davis is the starter and more of the workhorse, with 14 100-yard rushing games in his career. The senior is averaging more than six yards a carry this season and his next rushing touchdown will set a school career record of 42.

Meanwhile, the electric Spiller is the teams designated home run threat. The speedster has 11 touchdown runs of 50 yards or more in his career and currently ranks 10th in the ACC in rushing with an average of just under 61 yards a game.

And if those two aren’t enough to give Wake fans heart palpitations, then remember that the Tigers have a pretty decent QB in Cullen Harper who is throwing for roughly 190 yards a game and a big-play WR in Aaron Kelly who needs just over 400 yards to become Clemson's all-time leader in receiving yards.

All that said, Clemson fans would be quick to remind you that Tommy Bowden has been loaded with talent before and for some reason just can’t turn it into a consistent winner. The coach is 7-2 in his career against Wake Forest but has lost two of the last three visits to Winston-Salem and it’s also important to remember the Tigers are playing their first true road game of 2008.

Almost the opposite of Clemson, Wake will try to counter with the ACC's top passer in Skinner (244 ypg) and main target WR D.J. Boldin (28 catches, 276 yards). That pair will almost certainly have to be productive to make up for the lack of a running game for Wake Forest. The Deacons ground attack, led by RB Josh Adams, is averaging less than 85 yards a game, good for just 11th in the ACC.

To win this game, Wake will surely have to find a way to limit the damage from Davis and Spiller and also get Adams on track. They will also have to figure out a way to reverse a disturbing trend for ranked teams on Thursday nights thus far in 2008.

So far this season, four ranked teams have lost to unranked opponents on Thursday nights games. Vanderbilt defeated South Carolina (#24) 24-17 on September 4th, Colorado nipped West Virginia (#21) 17-14 on September 18th , Oregon State rocked the college football world when they took down #1 Southern California 27-21 on September 25th , and finally last week we had the aforementioned Pittsburgh win 26-21 at South Florida (#10).

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