Excerpts from the depositions, affidavits and other documents released by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on Wednesday in its investigation into steroids in baseball:
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From Andy Pettitte’s affidavit:
In 1999 or 2000, I had a conversation with Roger Clemens in which Roger told me that he had taken human growth hormone (“HGH”). This conversation occurred at his gym in Memorial, Texas. He did not tell me where he got the HGH or from whom, but he did tell me that it helped the body recover.
Shortly after my conversation with Roger, I spoke with Brian McNamee. Only he and I were parties to the conversation. I asked Brian about HGH and told him that Roger said he had used it. Brian McNamee became angry. He told me that Roger should not have told me about his HGH use because it was supposed to be confidential. While I don’t remember if Brian told me that he supplied Roger with HGH, it certainly was my impression from the conversation that he did.
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Associates, P.C.
Q: Okay. And, then, what did they (federal investigators) tell you?
A: They read back that … “Brian McNamee also states that he witnessed a party at Canseco’s house where — that Roger and Canseco and some other guests went into a room where possibly that’s where the drugs were — possibly where the Winstrol V was obtained around that time in June ’98.”
I — I wanted them to take that out, because I had no idea. That’s what — the government presented that to me and they said, “Brian, you have to understand that you did — you said you noticed that, but we also talked to a lot of other people.” And if you read the next couple pages of the report you’ll see why it’s still in there.
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From committee interview of former Toronto Blue Jays trainer Melvin Thomas Craig:
Q: So I think you have answered this, but I will ask it again. Mr. Clemens told 60 Minutes that Mr. McNamee, who of course is not a physician, injected him with lidocaine, gave lidocaine injections for lower back pain. Does it make sense to you that an athletic trainer like Mr. McNamee would perform injections for lower back pain?
A: It doesn’t make any sense. I don’t know why he would do that.
the outside this was an athlete who was worth tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Was he pretty careful about how he took care of himself?
A: Yes. He was very careful. He was in good shape. I mean, this guy worked hard. He ran a lot, you know, he lifted. He did the normal workouts. But he was a hardworking person. He made a good example for the other guys.
Q: Does it sound like it would be out of character for him to do something like allow Mr. McNamee to inject him with lidocaine?
A: It does to me. I don’t know what the advantage of that would be, to numb an area. I just don’t — I was kind of baffled when I heard that one.
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Roger Clemens lawyers, Rusty Hardin and Lanny Breuer, question the thoroughness of the Mitchell Report during committee deposition of Clemens.
Mr. Breuer: Keith and Congressman, we’ll give you one example. And I know we’re not here to talk about it. But we are very deeply concerned about the nexus between Mr. Novitsky (sic) and the prosecutors, the Mitchell Report, and really how our client was the major subject. More pages were spent on our client than any other player in the Mitchell Report.
In the Mitchell Report, to give one example — and I’m fairly new to this. In one example, one of the large accusations by this man, Mr. McNamee, is that in Florida our client attended a party by Mr. Canseco. And it was at that party, Congressman, that Mr. Canseco spoke to our client about the use of steroids. We were able to establish and we will be able to establish categorically, without question, that our client wasn’t there. We are deeply concerned, frankly, that it wasn’t that hard to establish that, and we think others could have established it as well.
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Hardin during Clemens deposition:
f, and yet we know that they did not do any due diligence on this man or his story. And that is just one example of things that you or I would respectfully suggest this staff, if you were tasked with doing it, you would have looked into it before you went out — not you — but before people went out and ruined this man’s name.
The problem with the Mitchell Report is, is that they took, hook, line and sinker, the prosecutor’s referral to him as the truth told, and they did nothing to check it out.
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From committee deposition of Roger Clemens:
Q: When was the last time — do you recall the last time you trained with him (McNamee)?
A: I worked with him in — this past season on about three or four occasions in New York.
Q: And do you recall the last — the month, the last month that you trained with him?
A: Well, it was — I would say August, September.
Q: And you did not train with him during the off season?
A: No.
Q: Any particular reason why not?
A: I wasn’t — I wasn’t playing again. I retired for the third time, whatever.
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From committee deposition of Roger Clemens:
Q: Have you ever had a discussion with Andy Pettitte about anabolic steroids?
A: I have not. Again, I don’t — I have not talked to Andy about growth hormones or steroids.
Q: Not about human growth hormone either?
e topic of the day or, you know, a conversation about it. But nothing in detail.
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From committee deposition of Roger Clemens:
Q: Did you ever discuss taking human growth hormone with any person outside of baseball during your career?
A: I have not.
Q: Do you have personal knowledge of players taking human growth hormone, and I will make this before the release of the Mitchell Report, did you have personal knowledge of players taking human growth hormone?
A: Personal knowledge, I do not.
Q: And did you have personal knowledge of other persons, acquaintances, people you worked with, family members who were taking human growth hormone?
A: I do not.
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From committee deposition of Andy Pettitte:
Q: You were — you’ve been fairly close or at least friendly with Roger Clemens over the years. Is that fair to say?
A: Yes.
Q: What did you ever talk to Clemens about with respect to HGH?
A: I remember a conversation in 1999 where Roger had told me that he had taken HGH.
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From committee deposition of Andy Pettitte:
Q: No. Just do your best. Did you ever mention to anyone else what Clemens had told you about his using HGH?
A: Yeah. I mean I told — I told McNamee. I asked McNamee about it.
Q: And was that soon after you had that conversation with Clemens?
A: Yeah. It would have had to have been.
Q: And what was McNamee’s response?
A: He was upset. You know he was — you know, I went to Mac and just had told him you know that Roger had told me that he had took it. And he was — he was — he was pretty upset. I remember him just kind of getting angry and said, you know, who told you that? And I — I’m like, well, Roger did. And you know he was like, man, he shouldn’t have done that. I don’t remember a whole lot more than that. But I just remember that he was upset that I had told him that Roger had told me that.
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From committee interview of Chuck Knoblauch:
Q: “Beginning during spring training and continuing through the early portion of the season, McNamee injected Knoblauch at least seven to nine times with human growth hormone,” that’s correct?
A: I would say that’s — when it says at least seven to nine times, I would say that’s correct.
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From committee interview of Chuck Knoblauch:
A: I had a throwing problem. People that follow baseball — I don’t know if you guys do or not.
Q: Sure.
is problem.
Q: This is at the spring training, this is in Tampa?
A: This is in Tampa at the Minor League facility. The Major League facility is across the street, and the Minor League facility, it runs year-round. They have guys coming in and out of there.
Q: I’m sorry, I just don’t remember when the throwing problem started. I remember, I just can’t —
A: Well, Yankee fans will say it started when I first got there, but that’s not really correct.
Q: That’s not true.
A: That’s not true. It started probably — it got worse at the end of ’99, and then 2000 it really consumed me. It was really — I got to my wits’ end with that. And then I wanted to try to work it out, and I went early, and I couldn’t do it. Monday through Friday, 3, 4 hours a day, a month before spring training, and I couldn’t do it.
So when spring training started, I felt myself weak, vulnerable, you know, grabbing for — trying to get something — you know, just weak and vulnerable. And McNamee happened to approach me in spring training. And that’s the first time I ever heard the three letters HGH or human growth hormone or anything.
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